9 Startups drop out from RejoignezUneStartup, 8 Replace them

Events


Earlier in the week, I got a tip that there was some tension amongst the organizers of RejoignezUneStartup – namely, the founders VoitureLib and CapitaneTrain. An email went out to the participating startups, who had agreed to be a part of the event earlier on, saying that it was time to pay the dues for the event. Another email was sent the next day by an angry organizer, upset that so many startups were backing out, saying they had forgot about the event or had last minute emergencies pop up. The organizers obviously felt that people were backing out because of the €418 fee that they are asking each participating startup to pay forward.

Miscommunication

One anonymous founder told me that, from the beginning, it wasn’t clear that the event would require payment when startups signed up; however, he did note that for an event that planned to have 500+ potential applicants attend, a price is more than fair. In addition,he noted, for any startup that is serious about recruiting, the price listed is more than fair and under what any startup would pay a recruiter for the same service.

The Naughty List

Keeping in mind that some of these startups may have legitimate reasons for not attending, and that, unfortunately, I am unable to contact them in advance, due to the fact that the site was just updated (I took a screenshot earlier in the week of the startups listed to be present, in order to see the changes: available here) and the event is tomorrow. Any startup wanting to reach out can comment below and I will adjust as necessary. Without further adieu, the naughty list:

  1. Appsgratis
  2. Simplib
  3. Shopeo
  4. Poutsch – pitched yesterday in Berlin for LeCamping demo day, so potentially out of town.
  5. Babble Planet
  6. StickyAdsTV
  7. FSC
  8. MadMagz
  9. Contract Live

I’ve linked to a few articles we’ve written about the startups above – a few funded, a few unfunded, and at least one bootstrapped to profitability.

The Nice List

So during this past week, it seems the #RejoignezUneStartup organizers have found some 6 candidates to replace them, or startups who were on the wait list:

  1. BlaBlaCar
  2. Bankin’
  3. BaoBaz Media
  4. LuckyCart
  5. Billiz
  6. Smart Impulse
  7. Web Geo Services
  8. You Miam

I don’t want to jump to any conclusions about startups who are signing up for recruiting events and then stepping down when the check comes – I’ve already heard from one UX Super Star that she turned down a job offer from one startup after they offered her an intern’s salary – she’s still shopping around, but not for long!
As the aforementioned anonymous entrepreneur said to me, if you can’t afford the cost for hiring great talent, maybe you’re not really evening looking.
You can find a complete list of the attending startups at RejoignezUneStartup.com.
Update: In the comments below, RejoignezUneStartup organizer responded in French. I’ve done my best to translate it without losing his intention. comment below if you think there are misinterpretations:

“The goal of an event like this is to bring together startups, animate the community, and show that we exist and that we have passionate projects and jobs available.
Our goal is to respond to a real problem: the traditional recruitment process don’t work. They’re long, uneffective, and costly: either 100 euros to post an ad on a site, 2000 euros for a stand in a job fair, or 3000 euros for headhunters, minimum. We are trying to find a smarter solution to bring together the startup community, accelerate the recruitment process and thus the growth of startups – not to mention lower the costs at the same time. In a way, we’re hacking the system. We are startups, after all.
This event is ‘amateur.’ It rides on the desires of a few motivated individuals. In order to bring these startups together, we tapped our entire network to spread the word of the event. We weren’t always clear with a few leaders, which meant that a few startups didn’t know about the charges, and thus canceled (or didn’t). Mea Culpa (“my bad”)
Barely any of the startps who canceled are “naughty.” They did it for various reasons. Either way, we were ready for the situation and replaced them with great startups.
One other comment I’d like to make is about this idea of “free developers.” All the startups participating here offer competitve salaries. We’ve done all we can to make our employees happy, and I don’t think there is one employee who wakes up in the morning unhappy with their work. Don’t believe me? Come ask.

18 Responses

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    TheManagement

    Thanks for the update, just freed up my Saturday for something useful, like riding my bike.
    Specifically,
    – It’s lame for recruiters to back out of an event (having received good press!) because of a 400€ fee, but
    – It’s also slimy for the organizers to try and sneak in said fee after having suggested it would be free. 
    And I couldn’t agree more about French startups courting super star talent and then offering intern wages. For all the supposedly impressive French business schools, I think they may be skipping the chapter on ROI, where the return is obtained by investing.
    I can (maybe) understand an entrepreneur with no finances needing it free or at discount, but even when funds are raised they’re cheap as hell, like children who don’t want to share the pie or wannabe businessmen for whom the phrase win-win is just a sales pitch. 
    Hopefully this weather lets up so I can enjoy a bike ride tomorrow rather than another event with a bunch of founders and “biz devs” looking for free developers.

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    TheManagement

    Thanks for the update, just freed up my Saturday for something useful, like riding my bike.
    Specifically,
    – It’s lame for recruiters to back out of an event (having received good press!) because of a 400€ fee, but
    – It’s also slimy for the organizers to try and sneak in said fee after having suggested it would be free. 
    And I couldn’t agree more about French startups courting super star talent and then offering intern wages. For all the supposedly impressive French business schools, I think they may be skipping the chapter on ROI, where the return is obtained by investing.
    I can (maybe) understand an entrepreneur with no finances needing it free or at discount, but even when funds are raised they’re cheap as hell, like children who don’t want to share the pie or wannabe businessmen for whom the phrase win-win is just a sales pitch. 
    Hopefully this weather lets up so I can enjoy a bike ride tomorrow rather than another event with a bunch of founders and “biz devs” looking for free developers.

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    Jean-Daniel Guyot

    Je vais m’exprimer un peu, désolé ça sera en rude français car l’évènement est demain et je n’ai pas vraiment de temps de faire quelque chose de propre en anglais.
    Le but d’un évènement comme celui-là et de nous réunir entre startups, animer la communauté, montrer que nous existons et que nous offrons des postes et des projets vraiment passionnants.
    Notre objectif est de répondre à un vrai problème : les processus de recrutement classiques sont inutilement longs et coûteux (une annonce : minimum 100 € sur un seul site, un salon de l’emploi : 2000 €, un chasseur de têtes : 3000 € minimum). Nous essayons de trouver la solution la plus intelligente possible pour réunir la communauté des startups, accélérer les recrutements et donc la croissance de celles-ci, et baisser les coûts de recrutement par la même occasion. En quelque sorte, nous hackons le système établi. Nous sommes des startups.
    Cette évènement est tout à fait amateur. Il se base sur la bonne volonté de quelques uns motivés par l’idée. Pour réunir des startups autour de nous, nous avons fait passer l’information par tout un tas de réseaux qui ont pu déformer l’information en cours de route. Nous n’avons pas bien fait attention à bien re-préciser les conditions sur quelques retours, ce qui fait que deux ou trois startups n’avaient pas été mises au courant des conditions et ont annulé (ou pas) leur présence. Mea culpa.
    Quasiment aucune des sociétés qui ont annulé ne sont “naughty”, elles l’ont fait pour diverses raisons. Nous avions prévu cette éventualité de toute façon et de très belles startups remplaceront les absents demain.
    Autre chose en rapport avec le commentaire parlant de « free developers ». Toutes les startups présentes proposent des salaires totalement dans les prix du marché. Nous faisons tout pour mettre notre équipe dans les meilleures conditions, et je ne crois pas qu’une seule personne chez nous se lève le matin en se disant qu’il n’est pas heureux dans son travail. Venez leur demander ?

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    Jean-Daniel Guyot

    Je vais m’exprimer un peu, désolé ça sera en rude français car l’évènement est demain et je n’ai pas vraiment de temps de faire quelque chose de propre en anglais.
    Le but d’un évènement comme celui-là et de nous réunir entre startups, animer la communauté, montrer que nous existons et que nous offrons des postes et des projets vraiment passionnants.
    Notre objectif est de répondre à un vrai problème : les processus de recrutement classiques sont inutilement longs et coûteux (une annonce : minimum 100 € sur un seul site, un salon de l’emploi : 2000 €, un chasseur de têtes : 3000 € minimum). Nous essayons de trouver la solution la plus intelligente possible pour réunir la communauté des startups, accélérer les recrutements et donc la croissance de celles-ci, et baisser les coûts de recrutement par la même occasion. En quelque sorte, nous hackons le système établi. Nous sommes des startups.
    Cette évènement est tout à fait amateur. Il se base sur la bonne volonté de quelques uns motivés par l’idée. Pour réunir des startups autour de nous, nous avons fait passer l’information par tout un tas de réseaux qui ont pu déformer l’information en cours de route. Nous n’avons pas bien fait attention à bien re-préciser les conditions sur quelques retours, ce qui fait que deux ou trois startups n’avaient pas été mises au courant des conditions et ont annulé (ou pas) leur présence. Mea culpa.
    Quasiment aucune des sociétés qui ont annulé ne sont “naughty”, elles l’ont fait pour diverses raisons. Nous avions prévu cette éventualité de toute façon et de très belles startups remplaceront les absents demain.
    Autre chose en rapport avec le commentaire parlant de « free developers ». Toutes les startups présentes proposent des salaires totalement dans les prix du marché. Nous faisons tout pour mettre notre équipe dans les meilleures conditions, et je ne crois pas qu’une seule personne chez nous se lève le matin en se disant qu’il n’est pas heureux dans son travail. Venez leur demander ?

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    Youssef Rahoui

    Bonjour,
    Je suis le dirigeant d’une des “méchantes” startups : Madmagz. J’assume la responsabilité. J’ai été réellement intéressé, j’ai suivi les nombreux e-mails échangés mais, je ne sais par quel mystère, je n’avais pas noté la date sur mon agenda. Aussi, quand j’ai reçu l’e-mail d’invitation à payer, c’était dans moins d’une semaine et nous n’étions pas du tout prêts ! Clairement pas professionnel, je l’admets.
    Maintenant, je pense que c’est une super initiative et, s’il s’en organise une autre et que les organisateurs le veulent bien, je participerai.
    Enfin, si je puis me permettre une critique (mal placé de ma part sans doute mais c’est vraiment pour le mieux), il aurait faire payer dès le départ, pas forcément toute la somme mais au moins une partie (ex. : 100€) en disant que si l’événement ne se faisait pas, la somme serait remboursée.
    Mas encore fois, excellente initiative, à laquelle j’espère me joindre une prochaine fois.

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    Youssef Rahoui

    Bonjour,
    Je suis le dirigeant d’une des “méchantes” startups : Madmagz. J’assume la responsabilité. J’ai été réellement intéressé, j’ai suivi les nombreux e-mails échangés mais, je ne sais par quel mystère, je n’avais pas noté la date sur mon agenda. Aussi, quand j’ai reçu l’e-mail d’invitation à payer, c’était dans moins d’une semaine et nous n’étions pas du tout prêts ! Clairement pas professionnel, je l’admets.
    Maintenant, je pense que c’est une super initiative et, s’il s’en organise une autre et que les organisateurs le veulent bien, je participerai.
    Enfin, si je puis me permettre une critique (mal placé de ma part sans doute mais c’est vraiment pour le mieux), il aurait faire payer dès le départ, pas forcément toute la somme mais au moins une partie (ex. : 100€) en disant que si l’événement ne se faisait pas, la somme serait remboursée.
    Mas encore fois, excellente initiative, à laquelle j’espère me joindre une prochaine fois.

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    Simon Dawlat

    Just for the record we paid, had to back out, brought in the Bankin’ guys as a replacement and paid for them to make sure our slot wouldn’t remain empty.
    Sounds like a nice, uninformed, blog post. And not only because our company name is mispelled.

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    Simon Dawlat

    Just for the record we paid, had to back out, brought in the Bankin’ guys as a replacement and paid for them to make sure our slot wouldn’t remain empty.
    Sounds like a nice, uninformed, blog post. And not only because our company name is mispelled.

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    EverydayShit

    To follow up on my Twitter exchange late last night with the organizer, what I think would be really interesting would be a similar event but open to project managers and operations guys — management if you must but not the business developers and other talkers who think “startup” = “an easy way to make money while having fun.”
    I’m referring here to honest-to-goodness professional project managers and product owners — doers — who can probably add as much value to a startup venture as a killer developer or super star UX.

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    EverydayShit

    To follow up on my Twitter exchange late last night with the organizer, what I think would be really interesting would be a similar event but open to project managers and operations guys — management if you must but not the business developers and other talkers who think “startup” = “an easy way to make money while having fun.”
    I’m referring here to honest-to-goodness professional project managers and product owners — doers — who can probably add as much value to a startup venture as a killer developer or super star UX.

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    Lulu Pouss

    Hello,
    I work in one of the “naughty start-up” : Simplib. I just would like to know if we are naughty because we are too young? too poor? misunderstanding? or miscommunication?
    These kind of events are great and we would love to participate to the next “Rejoignez une start-up”. Unfortunately this time there was a big misunderstanding between organizers and us.
    Actually we didn’t get all the informations because a lake of communication and we realised we weren’t ready for this event, we are very sorry for that.
    We know some start-up founders who were attending the event yesterday so I went to “le café barge” because I was curious, I love start-up and people involved in the web’s good spirit. It was very cool, I had a lot of fun, I have discovered amazing start-ups.
    Indeed it was earlier for us to participate to this event but I would like to say to the organizers Bravo and that they should do others!!!
    The fee is not that expensive regarding all interesting people you meet and may hire.
    L

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    Lulu Pouss

    Hello,
    I work in one of the “naughty start-up” : Simplib. I just would like to know if we are naughty because we are too young? too poor? misunderstanding? or miscommunication?
    These kind of events are great and we would love to participate to the next “Rejoignez une start-up”. Unfortunately this time there was a big misunderstanding between organizers and us.
    Actually we didn’t get all the informations because a lake of communication and we realised we weren’t ready for this event, we are very sorry for that.
    We know some start-up founders who were attending the event yesterday so I went to “le café barge” because I was curious, I love start-up and people involved in the web’s good spirit. It was very cool, I had a lot of fun, I have discovered amazing start-ups.
    Indeed it was earlier for us to participate to this event but I would like to say to the organizers Bravo and that they should do others!!!
    The fee is not that expensive regarding all interesting people you meet and may hire.
    L

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    Me

    Un article qui ne sert à rien écrit par quelqu’un ne sachant rien. BS

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    Me

    Un article qui ne sert à rien écrit par quelqu’un ne sachant rien. BS

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    TheRudeCroissant

    This is the least constructive article I have ever read… and that’s saying something when referencing your already notoriously crude and poorly written blog. Have you even thought about what the purpose of this article could be other than to single out startups that didn’t attend? It’s absolutely absurd that if you want the Rude Baguette to be considered a legitimate publication in France or abroad that you would write an article on pure conjecture! Real writers rely on facts and research. If there is conjecture it should be qualified and mitigated in a diplomatic way.
    No one should have to justify to you why they participated or not. Go out and talk to the startup founders before writing! Rather than stimulating the Parisian ecosystem, this is a clear attempt to hinder it and put down startups vis-à-vis an already difficult recruitment market.
    Why can’t you focus on the positives of this event rather than the negatives? It was an astounding success regardless of the startups that weren’t able to participate for whatever reasons they may have. I don’t see how anyone in the Parisian ecosystem or the anglophone audience abroad could or should take you seriously as a writer.

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    TheRudeCroissant

    This is the least constructive article I have ever read… and that’s saying something when referencing your already notoriously crude and poorly written blog. Have you even thought about what the purpose of this article could be other than to single out startups that didn’t attend? It’s absolutely absurd that if you want the Rude Baguette to be considered a legitimate publication in France or abroad that you would write an article on pure conjecture! Real writers rely on facts and research. If there is conjecture it should be qualified and mitigated in a diplomatic way.
    No one should have to justify to you why they participated or not. Go out and talk to the startup founders before writing! Rather than stimulating the Parisian ecosystem, this is a clear attempt to hinder it and put down startups vis-à-vis an already difficult recruitment market.
    Why can’t you focus on the positives of this event rather than the negatives? It was an astounding success regardless of the startups that weren’t able to participate for whatever reasons they may have. I don’t see how anyone in the Parisian ecosystem or the anglophone audience abroad could or should take you seriously as a writer.

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